It's fairly easy to duplicate the smallbore class in the software and in the results. It just makes the results page a little bigger with at least one extra column. The tough part is agreeing on what is allowed into the class.
Mike M
"There’s no way you can eat a hot pocket and do this." -Ed Chan The views expressed herein are my own and are not intended to sound like a "dick."
So Ed, we have some buy in across the boards on how this should be structured. I think at this time, Spec 86(name pending) would only allow for Twins, but in the future could be reworked to accommodate other cars of a similar type if the club deems it appropriate. Revised proposal for a small-bore equivalent series for CDC events:
Spec 86
Cars allowed: Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ
Power modifications: No Forced Induction/Engine swaps, otherwise no restriction
Tires: Street Tires only
All other modifications: No restriction
From polling the crowd, this will be the most fair thing for everyone, and of course it can be expanded in the future should that be required. Let's clarify that this will not cause a large amount of additional work for the organizers, cause if it will, no one wants to bring it to fruition. You guys work so hard already, and something like this shouldn't make your jobs any tougher.
Areddi wrote:So Ed, we have some buy in across the boards on how this should be structured. I think at this time, Spec 86(name pending) would only allow for Twins, but in the future could be reworked to accommodate other cars of a similar type if the club deems it appropriate. Revised proposal for a small-bore equivalent series for CDC events:
Spec 86
Cars allowed: Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ
Power modifications: No Forced Induction/Engine swaps, otherwise no restriction
Tires: Street Tires only
All other modifications: No restriction
From polling the crowd, this will be the most fair thing for everyone, and of course it can be expanded in the future should that be required. Let's clarify that this will not cause a large amount of additional work for the organizers, cause if it will, no one wants to bring it to fruition. You guys work so hard already, and something like this shouldn't make your jobs any tougher.
I think this is the best option! It would be fun to watch and see how the cars are comparing with each owner's driving style and mods.
You definitely shouldn't use the SCCA STX class. Because then my Mustang would be in it. And that wouldn't be fair, because all of the Toyobarus would beat me.
Sky Render wrote:You definitely shouldn't use the SCCA STX class. Because then my Mustang would be in it. And that wouldn't be fair, because all of the Toyobarus would beat me.
Only if you have 9" or narrower wheels and max 265mm tires...
Sky Render wrote:You definitely shouldn't use the SCCA STX class. Because then my Mustang would be in it. And that wouldn't be fair, because all of the Toyobarus would beat me.
Only if you have 9" or narrower wheels and max 265mm tires...
My street wheel/tire setup is 18x8s with 255s. I run 285s at most autocrosses because I just don't give a crap about SCCA classing. Also, I'm slow and won't be competitive regardless of what class I'm in.
This is a slippery slope for a club. First you dont like SCCA rules and you try to stay away and make it "funner". Then certain people want a class to have fun with each other. Then another group, then another. Soon you have tons of classes and rules that people agree on. Then a committee is appointed to set the different classes. Then a DCD club shows up saying they dont like CDC classing and that they want it to be fun. lol
Walka wrote:This is a slippery slope for a club. First you dont like SCCA rules and you try to stay away and make it "funner". Then certain people want a class to have fun with each other. Then another group, then another. Soon you have tons of classes and rules that people agree on. Then a committee is appointed to set the different classes. Then a DCD club shows up saying they dont like CDC classing and that they want it to be fun. lol
Given the number of twins coming out I think it is a good idea. CDC is all about fun, if anyone starts stressing about classes or group they will address it. It seems like a new group of excited people who just want to have some fun amongst their group, a big group, is good. BTW, these cars are fun, but not real competitive within their class.
Fred
Areddi wrote:Anyway, I am with Fred, it'l get dealt with if things get put of hand. Ed, where do we go from here?
I know there has been a lot of energy in this thread but this isn't something that is going to be implemented overnight. We've got a separate thread in the Organizer forum to discuss the best way to address this "member comment" and the desire for a class for the twins.
Areddi wrote:Anyway, I am with Fred, it'l get dealt with if things get put of hand. Ed, where do we go from here?
I know there has been a lot of energy in this thread but this isn't something that is going to be implemented overnight. We've got a separate thread in the Organizer forum to discuss the best way to address this "member comment" and the desire for a class for the twins.
We (the organizers) are in the discussion phase and am looking at all the suggestions. If we add another series/class, we would implement it starting with the 2014 season. During this time, we can review the results along with the relative times as the FRS/BRZ starts to mature with suspension and tire mods. There's a lot of Pro and Cons that we have to weigh.
Until then, feel free to track each other's placement with each other (including or not including vehicles similar to the FRS/BRZ).
Areddi wrote:Anyway, I am with Fred, it'l get dealt with if things get put of hand. Ed, where do we go from here?
I know there has been a lot of energy in this thread but this isn't something that is going to be implemented overnight. We've got a separate thread in the Organizer forum to discuss the best way to address this "member comment" and the desire for a class for the twins.
We (the organizers) are in the discussion phase and am looking at all the suggestions. If we add another series/class, we would implement it starting with the 2014 season. During this time, we can review the results along with the relative times as the FRS/BRZ starts to mature with suspension and tire mods. There's a lot of Pro and Cons that we have to weigh.
Until then, feel free to track each other's placement with each other (including or not including vehicles similar to the FRS/BRZ).
Areddi wrote:Anyway, I am with Fred, it'l get dealt with if things get put of hand. Ed, where do we go from here?
I know there has been a lot of energy in this thread but this isn't something that is going to be implemented overnight. We've got a separate thread in the Organizer forum to discuss the best way to address this "member comment" and the desire for a class for the twins.
We (the organizers) are in the discussion phase and am looking at all the suggestions. If we add another series/class, we would implement it starting with the 2014 season. During this time, we can review the results along with the relative times as the FRS/BRZ starts to mature with suspension and tire mods. There's a lot of Pro and Cons that we have to weigh.
Until then, feel free to track each other's placement with each other (including or not including vehicles similar to the FRS/BRZ).
FredK wrote:What! not 'till next year!! According to the FR-S/ BRZ kids I'm already too old.
There's nothing stopping anyone from copying the spread sheet form each event, then deleting the cars that they don't think fit in the series (or only list the FRS/BRZ cars).
The only difference is that we won't give out a prize this year. Just out of fairness, all of our series have started at the begining of the season. We just started this discussion, and wanted comments. We still need time and data on how these cars perform relative to the various other cars.
There are certainly other cars that *could* compete against the FRS/BRZ. I like the idea of a 4-seat, 4 cylinder (or 2 rotor) sport coupe class. This could include 944s, 240SX, RX-8 for RWD only examples. So long as we don't allow turbos, engine swaps, or gutted interiors, it should stay pretty fair.
As for the TR6, it can compete in the new "Rust" series. This includes any car that rusts faster than you can weld. Richard's Morgan is inelegible, but is free to compete in the "Termite" class with Woody wagons.
