why don't you see car x autocrossing?

[Gonz]

What about a pre 1987 Dodge Daytona turbo?

Woody has (or had?) one. It was hilarious. Made all sorts of spaceship noises and had a turbo boost accumulator in the trunk but looked like a real handful to drive, to say the least. Plus they have a tendency for parts to fall off while driving down the road. Chrysler generally builds junk cars and time and subsequent wear and tear has done them no favors.

I believe the last time I saw it was when it puked it's coolant at the CDC lot.

We don't see many 23 y.o. cars in general. It's not just a "dodge" reliability problem.

After all, where are the
Mistu Starions?
Plymouth Lasers ?
Eagle Talons ?
Ford Probes ?
5.0 Mustangs
BMW E30 M3
Rabbit GTI
Omni GLH
Colt Turbo
Swift GT
2nd Gen RX7
Honda CRX
323 GTX
Escort GT
C4 vettes
Fiat Spyder

and other cool "affordable" cars from our youth, that one might think people would still autox ? Just not many people drive 25 year old cars

[hepcatz]

That does sound like a riot! lol Well parts falling off would be good as it will help to lighten the car.

Yeah, XKE would be a really bad choice for ax but it still is the best sports car man has ever made

What about a pre 1987 Dodge Daytona turbo?

Woody has (or had?) one. It was hilarious. Made all sorts of spaceship noises and had a turbo boost accumulator in the trunk but looked like a real handful to drive, to say the least. Plus they have a tendency for parts to fall off while driving down the road. Chrysler generally builds junk cars and time and subsequent wear and tear has done them no favors.

[eage8]

I believe the last time I saw it was when it puked it's coolant at the CDC lot.

We don't see many 23 y.o. cars in general. It's not just a "dodge" reliability problem.

After all, where are the
Mistu Starions?
Plymouth Lasers ?
Eagle Talons ?
Ford Probes ?
5.0 Mustangs
BMW E30 M3
Rabbit GTI
Omni GLH
Colt Turbo
Swift GT
2nd Gen RX7
Honda CRX
323 GTX
Escort GT
C4 vettes
Fiat Spyder

and other cool "affordable" cars from our youth, that one might think people would still autox ? Just not many people drive 25 year old cars

that's why you have to have 2 old cars like me and just bring the one that happens to be working

[hepcatz]

Gonz, good point by the way about the eagle talon, although not great, i'd think they would be ok at ax. my ex had one of those & it was a fun little car that also did well in the winter in Alaska.

it seems like it skips from the 90s (na miata among others) then goes back to classics (MG, austin healy, Triumph, austin mini) with the whole middle time period missing.

[flohtingPoint]

Gonz, good point by the way about the eagle talon, although not great, i'd think they would be ok at ax. my ex had one of those & it was a fun little car that also did well in the winter in Alaska.

it seems like it skips from the 90s (na miata among others) then goes back to classics (MG, austin healy, Triumph, austin mini) with the whole middle time period missing.

Mike, Slava and I hold down the 80's, especially Toyota from that era.

[hepcatz]

and I am the moron who brain farts that the eagle talon & miata were produced during the same time!

[AJ_RDR_Civic]

Tons of crxs autox, just don't see them at CDC events. A decently prepped one with good driver would easily dominate small bore. Never see the BMW e30s at autoxs because they are all being ran on road courses in spec e30 lol.

[eage8]

Tons of crxs autox, just don't see them at CDC events. A decently prepped one with good driver would easily dominate small bore. Never see the BMW e30s at autoxs because they are all being ran on road courses in spec e30 lol.

go look at the CSP national results and get back to me

[AJ_RDR_Civic]

Tons of crxs autox, just don't see them at CDC events. A decently prepped one with good driver would easily dominate small bore. Never see the BMW e30s at autoxs because they are all being ran on road courses in spec e30 lol.

go look at the CSP national results and get back to me

I'm saying with the current cars running in SB and decently modded crx, not csp prepped...

[eage8]

Tons of crxs autox, just don't see them at CDC events. A decently prepped one with good driver would easily dominate small bore. Never see the BMW e30s at autoxs because they are all being ran on road courses in spec e30 lol.

go look at the CSP national results and get back to me

I'm saying with the current cars running in SB and decently modded crx, not csp prepped...

well yeah, you can decently mod pretty much anything and win in small bore currently. which is why I will be running my corolla next year... lol

[AJ_RDR_Civic]

Maybe I should prep my car again and compete for SB next season

[flohtingPoint]

well yeah, you can decently mod pretty much anything and win in small bore currently. which is why I will be running my corolla next year... lol

Unless they loosened Small Bore, both our Corolla's are ineligible.

In the Small Bore specifications:
"In short, the cars have to carry the same engine type that the model originally offered when new (but it does not have to be a numbers matching block) and it must be normally aspirated (no forced induction, no turbochargers, no superchargers). "

[eage8]

well yeah, you can decently mod pretty much anything and win in small bore currently. which is why I will be running my corolla next year... lol

Unless they loosened Small Bore, both our Corolla's are ineligible.

In the Small Bore specifications:
"In short, the cars have to carry the same engine type that the model originally offered when new (but it does not have to be a numbers matching block) and it must be normally aspirated (no forced induction, no turbochargers, no superchargers). "

my corolla still has a 4AGE just like the GT-S version did (as does yours). I ran it by Ed Chan and he said it was fine.

[flohtingPoint]

well yeah, you can decently mod pretty much anything and win in small bore currently. which is why I will be running my corolla next year... lol

Unless they loosened Small Bore, both our Corolla's are ineligible.

In the Small Bore specifications:
"In short, the cars have to carry the same engine type that the model originally offered when new (but it does not have to be a numbers matching block) and it must be normally aspirated (no forced induction, no turbochargers, no superchargers). "

my corolla still has a 4AGE just like the GT-S version did (as does yours). I ran it by Ed Chan and he said it was fine.

LOL! The 4AGE 20v are vastly different than the 4AGE 16v that came in the GT-S versions. They dont allow 160 hp VTEC DOHC Honda motors, odd that Ed wouldn't care about a 160hp VVT DOHC Toyota motor. Doesn't matter to me either way, but you may open yourself up to appeals from someone else.

[eage8]

LOL! The 4AGE 20v are vastly different than the 4AGE 16v that came in the GT-S versions. They dont allow 160 hp VTEC DOHC Honda motors, odd that Ed wouldn't care about a 160hp VVT DOHC Toyota motor. Doesn't matter to me either way, but you may open yourself up to appeals from someone else.

Miatas have VVT too. *shrug* I don't think it's that big of a deal. you can easily make a miata make that much hp and it'll have loads more torque than I do.

[flohtingPoint]

LOL! The 4AGE 20v are vastly different than the 4AGE 16v that came in the GT-S versions. They dont allow 160 hp VTEC DOHC Honda motors, odd that Ed wouldn't care about a 160hp VVT DOHC Toyota motor. Doesn't matter to me either way, but you may open yourself up to appeals from someone else.

Miatas have VVT too. *shrug* I don't think it's that big of a deal. you can easily make a miata make that much hp and it'll have loads more torque than I do.

Same, I dont think it's a big deal either, I was just giving you a heads up that someone else might.

LOL! Yes, it'll definitely have much more torque than our motors. I love it when I shift a bit too soon when I'm driving around and my motor lumbers to the point where it vibrates my car.

[Gonz]

The Miatas only have VVT on the intake cam, and it's only used to clean up emissions without having to run the precat not really to make HP.

They make the same 140 HP as the earlier 1.8L Miatas. They are by no means fast. The older 1.6L cars do have an advantage of less weight and shorter gearing.

Anyway, Ed makes the final call on the small bore, so if you told him what changes you've made and he's OK with it, you're good to go. The Miatas will have an advantage of more modern suspension design which will make it interesting.

[bearda]

They make the same 140 HP as the earlier 1.8L Miatas. They are by no means fast. The older 1.6L cars do have an advantage of less weight and shorter gearing.

I thought the 1.8L Miatas didn't make 140 until the second generation. Didn't they bump the compression at the same time they added VVT for the NB?

[eage8]

They make the same 140 HP as the earlier 1.8L Miatas. They are by no means fast. The older 1.6L cars do have an advantage of less weight and shorter gearing.

I thought the 1.8L Miatas didn't make 140 until the second generation. Didn't they bump the compression at the same time they added VVT for the NB?

yeah, NBs started out making 140 as apposed to an '97 NAs 133 and by 2005 NBs made 142hp

my engine is highly overrated from the factory though to try to compete with honda. most people dyno them at around 120-130 whp, it's not much if any faster than my girlfriend's NB miata.

[ferris]

They make the same 140 HP as the earlier 1.8L Miatas. They are by no means fast. The older 1.6L cars do have an advantage of less weight and shorter gearing.

I thought the 1.8L Miatas didn't make 140 until the second generation. Didn't they bump the compression at the same time they added VVT for the NB?

yeah, NBs started out making 140 as apposed to an '97 NAs 133 and by 2005 NBs made 142hp

my engine is highly overrated from the factory though to try to compete with honda. most people dyno them at around 120-130 whp, it's not much if any faster than my girlfriend's NB miata.

if you beat me, I vote disqualification and will move for a permanent CDC ban

also, the NA 1.8 miata makes 131 hp (according to wikipedita, the '96 and '97 make 132.3 hp) and then with the VVT and higher compression the engine makes 141 hp

[eage8]

if you beat me, I vote disqualification and will move for a permanent CDC ban

also, the NA 1.8 miata makes 131 hp (according to wikipedita, the '96 and '97 make 132.3 hp) and then with the VVT and higher compression the engine makes 141 hp

Ha! yeah, I'm hoping that doesn't happen... I'm glad I have your vote of confidence Jeff

I was using edmunds which has the numbers mazda released. I don't know why wikipedia is different.

[thehammer]

well just to add my 2 cents, I just purchased a 1991 Merc Capri XR2, . I like my Capri's they were creepily made in Austraila, but just Saturday, I managed to either *break the clutch fork, or the clutch wore itself out, gotta love front wheel drive. These cars were built to compete with the Miata's. Bone stock the XR2's 1.6 liter turbo will beat a miata in a straight line, but hopefully it will give me something to compete in! Thoughts?

[echan]

I just mentioned to Jim N. that I would love to see the following cars:

1. Datsun 240Z (or 280Z)
2. Datsun 2000 (or 1600)
3. Datsun 510
4. Jaguar XKE
5. Griffith (TVR) (1960's version) or settle for TVR 2500
6. Austin Healey 100/4
7. Marcos
8. Berkley
9. Morgan 3-wheeler
10. Sunbeam Tiger
11. Volvo P1800
12. Porsche 550 spyder (settle for replica)
13. Albrath
14. any Devin
15. any Panoz
16. any vintage sports racer
17. any home-made special
18. RX-2, 3 or RX-4

I just finished reading Jim's Grassroots Motorsports featuring Datsuns and Peter Brock and BRE, and it really makes me want to buy a Datsun. Since I already have so many cars that need to be restored, I figure the next best thing would be to Datsuns for other people to bring to the autox.

[hepcatz]

Ed, I really like your list! I too wouldn't mind having a 240 someday however it'll have to wait as others rank higher. A Morgan 3 would be great, just like Peter Sellers. As you know I've been thinking of a GT6. However recently I can't help but think the turbo Eagle Talon with awd would be great at ax.

[echan]

Ed, I really like your list! I too wouldn't mind having a 240 someday however it'll have to wait as others rank higher. A Morgan 3 would be great, just like Peter Sellers. As you know I've been thinking of a GT6. However recently I can't help but think the turbo Eagle Talon with awd would be great at ax.

I would have put a GT6 on the list but one of our members should be debuting his restored GT6 next season. Also Matt S from the Triumph Club use to attend our events (before he got too busy with work).

I still keep an eye out for GT6s and they pop up (not too rare yet). You might try to look at this site:

http://www2.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi? ... ++++go++++

It's a fun site to look at ads (and all the different cars) around the country (mostly on craigslist and ebay), but the ads tend to be at least 24 hours old. So if you're trying to get the jump on someone for a really good deal, this site isn't current enough.

Another site that I like is:

http://bringatrailer.com/

They highlight cars I wouldn't even think of searching.

I suppose if all the cars on this thread showed up, it would be like a rolling museum!